Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs

Steven Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> Tue, 07 August 2012 05:39 UTC

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On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Ben Campbell wrote:

> 
> The return flight was almost as much fun, as I got to explain to the AA attendant that some dang-fool corporate travel agent had actually written an itinerary with a 50 minute window for transferring from a domestic flight from Nice (the first flight of the day) to an USA bound AA flight at ORY (the only flight of the day).
> 
I had something similar with the 2003 Vienna IETF.  I protested that 55 minutes was a rather tight connection in Frankfurt, given that I had to clear Schengen zone immigration.  I was told it was a listed connection and therefore good.  After checking that there were more flights to VIE that day, I agreed.  Naturally, a thunderstorm delayed flights out of EWR.  The pilot made up time, but (of course) hit congestion at FRA.  (One of my fellow passengers asked a flight attendant about his connection.  "Your bags will make the connection!  Make sure that you do!"  Yes, that was her intonation.)  I made it; my bag didn't.  I was paged at the baggage claim in Vienna, and told to go to the luggage office, where they told me to fill out a lost bag form.  "Lost?  You know exactly where it is; you paged me!"  I was told to fill it out anyway.  It all worked -- I didn't have to carry the bag on the train; they delivered it to my hotel a few hours later.

Enough travel war stories for tonight!

		--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb