Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #55 - Clarify legal and privacy implications of failure reports

[Dotzero <[e-mail]>]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM Michael Thomas <[e-mail]> wrote:

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> On 1/6/21 6:59 AM, Dotzero wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 9:41 AM Michael Thomas <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> On 1/5/21 10:02 PM, Dotzero wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 8:19 PM Michael Thomas <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>>> No it was an unalloyed good that you brought that up. We can use a much
>>> more data-driven approach rather than opinion and conjecture. It would
>>> be good for it to be required reading for everybody on this working
>>> group, and not snarled at as a heresy. DKIM itself was a leap of faith.
>>> 16 years later it is gratifying that we have data.
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>>> Mike
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>> DKIM was NOT a leap of faith. At the time there was plenty of data from
>> DK (Domain Keys) and IIM to inform those involved. Please stop making
>> assertions of "fact" which are simply not true.
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>> Um, dude, I was one of the authors of IIM. You're literally claiming to
>> know more than me about what was in my head.
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>> Mike
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> So all the data was in your head? I wasn't using IIM but was publishing DK
> and getting feedback from Yahoo! and a few other receivers through private
> channels. There were other senders in a similar situation as myself. And
> yes, people were discussing things privately (Web of Trust groups). Your
> claim that there was no data available at the time is quite simply false.
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> You are literally telling me what I knew at the time. It was a lot of the
> reason that we got push back to form the DKIM working group. It wasn't
> until I read that paper that I got some concrete feel for how it affected
> things, and that was 16 years later. The biggest change for the better was
> senders closing open relays. It's still not clear that DKIM had any affect
> on that.
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> Mike
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No, you are literally telling everyone else how things were. In fact, there
was a lot of data. You are the one who claimed that everything was in your
head and the rest of us have no clue. - "DKIM itself was a leap of faith"
and that we were doing things based on opinion and conjecture. It did not
take 16 years for there to be data. There was data before DK and IIM were
merged to form DKIM.

Michael Hammer