Re: [hrpc] draft-irtf-hrpc-association (was Re: Censorship)

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

On 14-03-2022 16:18, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> Hi,
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> [still employed, still not speaking for them]
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> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 12:25:18PM +0100, Niels ten Oever wrote:
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>> This discussion perhaps does not belong here, but this is most probably due to the fact that change control of the RG documents lies with the RG, and we implemented every change proposed by the RG. So maybe indeed too many consensus opinions makes thing wooly. On the other hand that means that a lot of opinions are included.
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> I think I argued previously that attempting to make the documents the collective product of the RG was harmful to the quality of the documents, because they had the effect you note. 

I agree with you. We worked very hard to get consensus on documents and I think this did not increase the quality of the documents.

> Please don't take it as a criticism of the editors, who have I think laboured to get contradictory opionions into some kind of coherence. That task is, however, pretty hard to make end well, and I think the draft suffers in clarity as a result.  I wish I had something to contribute that could help, but I don't.  It was in part my frustration with this path for documents that led me to conclude I couldn't contribute meaningfully here, which is why I mostly went silent.

I understand - but this also really saddens me.

Maybe we should drop the consensus requirement for RG docs, but then again, we don't want to publish everything. I hope the chair(s) can come up with a way to address this.
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>> You helped us come up with some definitions as the Acknowledgements section describes, but if you want I'll remove you right away:
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> Well, to the extent I contributed anything it was as a participant in the RG, which is already captured, so thanks for the adjustment!

My pleasure.

Best,

Niels
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> Best regards,
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> A
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