Re: [hrpc] Censorship

On 11-03-2022 19:41, Paul Wouters wrote:
> The internet is infrastructure. It must always be there and when broken must be fixed. Punishing citizens for their government actions by crippling infrastructure is always wrong.

 From the statement:

● Disconnecting the population of a country from the Internet is a disproportionate and inappropriate sanction,
since it hampers their access to the very information that might lead them to withdraw support for acts of war
and leaves them with access to only the information their own government chooses to furnish.

and

● Sanctions should be focused and precise. They should minimize the chance of unintended consequences or
collateral damage. Disproportionate or over-broad sanctions risk fundamentally alienating populations.

● Military and propaganda agencies and their information infrastructure are potential targets of sanctions.

Best,

Niels

> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent using a virtual keyboard on a phone
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 13:17, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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>>> Il 11/03/2022 17:38 Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> So, just block everybody and let god sort them out?
>>>
>>> Because that’s the status quo, and the problem we’re trying to fix.
>>
>> As that seems to be your strongest motivation, I am curious to understand why. I mean, I agree that your proposal would be far better than Ukraine's, but as far as I know, almost no one at ICANN or at RIPE has argued in favour of removing TLDs from the root, invalidating certificates or deleting IP space. Both institutions have clearly said that, while sympathizing with Ukraine's situation, they will not agree to the request. So how is that "the status quo"?
>>
>> Personally, my motivation for supporting your proposal would actually be the opposite - enabling limited but focused sanctions as an alternative to doing nothing.
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>> -- vb.
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