Re: [hrpc] Censorship

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One of the goals of disrupting the economy is to foment resurrection,
either internal or popular.

I'd agree that too many see sanctions analogously to spanking (or
similar) a child, a punishment to improve the government's behavior.

So any immediate inconvenience appeals to some, spank that leader!

As you say autocrats and their circle tend to be mostly immune and
lead comfortable lives under even quite extreme sanctions
regimes. That was the case with Saddam Hussein.

So the major motivations are:

1. To send a message which is louder than a statement of disapproval.

2. Possibly to weaken their warmaking etc apparatus.

3. Possibly to expose them as having miscalculated and thus bringing
misery and suffering on many which in turn might make them worry about
either internal or popular insurrection against them.

On March 12, 2022 at 23:59 [e-mail] (farzaneh badii) wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:24 PM Bill Woodcock <[e-mail]> wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >     > On Mar 12, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Bill Jouris <b_jouris=
 >     [e-mail]> wrote:
 >     > Let's be serious.  ANY sanctions applied to a country are "collective
 >     punishment."
 > 
 >     Hang on, really?  You’re saying that you view sanctions applied to the
 >     military of a country that’s conducting offensive military action, which
 >     occasioned the sanction, as “collective punishment?”
 > 
 >     If so, at what degree of individuality do you believe sanctions must be
 >     applied in order to meet the test of not constituting collective
 >     punishment?
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >     Or is no mass-murderer so vile as to warrant being inconvenienced in their
 >     online shopping?
 > 
 > 
 > The problem is you won’t inconvenience “their online shopping”! As evidenced in
 > every other program, you won't stop anybody but ordinary people. It will affect
 > people’s access to the Internet. every day all sorts of mass murderers
 > conveniently use the Internet to do what they want. But what you are proposing 
 > is like having a visa regime in place. The mass murders love having it in place
 > too. Because they can deprive ordinary people easily.  And that visa regime
 > allows a lot of the Ruling parties with dubious pasts to cross the borders.
 > What a sad future we will have in that case. Getting visas to go from one place
 > to another on the Internet makes it hard for ordinary people to do so,while the
 > rich/ruling party can have a blast. Probably the masse murderers will also be
 > able to gain passports that immunizes them from punishment on the Internet.
 > While ordinary people won't. They will wait in line. While the elites decide
 > who is a good person and who is not, using the rule of man. 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >                                     -Bill
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