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Re: Quic: the elephant in the room

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Sun, 11 April 2021 16:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: Quic: the elephant in the room
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On 4/11/21 8:59 AM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 03:34:06PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote:
>
>> What I mean is that the authorities for DNS get compromised far more often
>> than CAs do.
> But any compromise of a registrant, registrar or registry also
> compromises CA certificate issuance.  The CAs are redundant so
> long as the attestation they're performing is "domain control".

Also: this seems highly suspect as there are a plethora of companies 
that offer both domain and certificate services. I find it pretty 
questionable that they would be competent on the CA front and 
incompetent on the DNS front. It doesn't do me any good to have a CA 
cert when nobody can route to it after all.

Mike

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