Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meeting Last Week are Available

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 23 July 2014 08:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meeting Last Week are Available
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Hi John,
At 18:12 22-07-2014, John Curran wrote:
>I don't see anything to support that theory in any of the materials;
>as I understand it, the coordinating group acts as liaisons for the
>solicitation of proposals, assembly of a complete proposal, and the
>related communications.

Ok.

>Relevant community processes are mentioned in the materials, so I
>imagine that will mean processes in each of the communities to come
>up with various proposals.  Contacting a representative makes sense,
>but not to carry your views as much as find our the process in that
>community for participating and sharing your views therein.

Ok.

>That's probably a fine starting point, but it would be even better if
>there were processes for each of the various communities to work on
>proposals.  You could then get involved in each of the communities that
>you felt you had interest in.

Ok.

I prefer not to be involved in discussions about the transition in 
the other communities as the issues are too controversial.

>Strange; many folks that I know are involved in multiple communities,
>and I'd expect to see them involved in each of the processes to the
>extent that they are interested in such...  This is no different than
>regular participants in IETF working groups; they participate as
>individuals (not representatives of any particular community) and
>their ideas are evaluated on merit rather than origin or imprimatur.

I'll comment about the second sentence (above).  I have participated 
in several IETF working groups in several Areas; I am the only person 
from my region who used to send Last Call comments to 
ietf@ietf.org.  My personal experience has been that I was held to a 
higher standard compared to other regular participants.  I don't wish 
that newcomers, irrespective of origin, go through the same 
experience as I did.

>I can understand a concern in clarity of participation by those on
>the ITG, but I do not know why it would be an issue for anyone else,
>(unless they somehow have been given a duty to formally represent
>one of these communities)

It is a personal decision.  I'll cite some words from the Supreme 
Court of Texas:

   "The needs of the many outweigh ...
    the needs of the few"

I don't know the right answer for the above.  I do know that there 
are three words missing in the above [1][2].

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhRmlV0aaDg
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcR-w-56tA