Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community
John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org> Tue, 22 July 2014 01:03 UTC
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote: > On 21/07/2014 21:48, John Curran wrote: >> It's much simpler if you look at things one parameter space at a time: >> who created it, what technical reservations does it have, is there a >> general purpose portion & if so who is the delegated policy authority, >> what entity administers the resulting policy, and what party performs >> registry operations/publication for the entire parameter space? The >> general purpose DNS and IP registries are only portions are subsets >> of the entire registry spaces; keeping that in mind may help quite a >> bit with clarity of roles. > > Is there going to also be a study of accountability mechanisms for each > of the parties administering each parameter space? Olivier - As I understand it, we have been discussing the charter of the "IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG)", which is responsible for coordinating in the formation of a plan for the transitioning of NTIA’s stewardship of the IANA functions. The IANA Functions are administrative/clerical registry functions for all of the parameter spaces, including protocol parameters in general, and the general purpose portions of the DNS and IP address spaces. All of these are administered by the "IANA" (by a team of folks within ICANN); if the ICG does its job, the resulting plan will cover (as your state) the "accountability mechanisms for each of the parties administering each parameter space", but in this case, the administration is being done by all the same party, i.e. ICANN in its performance as the IANA. I believe what you meant to ask is a significantly different question regarding study of accountability mechanisms for the _policy authority and policy development_ aspects of each of the parameter spaces. I know that ICANN has kicked off an ICANN Accountability effort which presumably will encompass such with respect to its DNS policy efforts... With respect to policy authority and relationships for the address parameter spaces, the 5 RIRs have stated that "we believe than a review is appropriate at this time, prior to the expected NTIA transition, along with reviews by each of the RIRs of their own accountability mechanisms." <https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-to-ICANN-Accountability-2014066.pdf> As with regard to accountability mechanisms for the technical protocol parameter spaces created by the IETF, I do not know if any review is planned or even warranted. Protocol use is nominally a voluntary choice, and to the extent that the IETF predominantly sticks to technical criteria and its open & transparent development processes, it should be the rightful authority for any registries created out of that process. I guess if the IETF were to make a habit of embedding social policy aspects into its protocol design, one could argue that its processes and accountability mechanisms become a valid item to review, but the IETF hasn't historically been embedding public policy values into its protocol designs... (and any claim that the present day NTIA contract provides a "accountability mechanism" in this regard is specious.) FYI, /John Disclaimer: My views alone.
- [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meeting … Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- [Internetgovtech] Cross community (was: Re: ICANN… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- [Internetgovtech] off topic: labels (was Re: Docu… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] off topic: labels (was Re: … Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- [Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross comm… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross … John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community JFC Morfin
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Steve Crocker
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Steve Crocker
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eric Burger
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Jari Arkko