Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 23 July 2014 20:43 UTC

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Olivier,

On 24/07/2014 08:10, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
> I'd just like to register my agreement with Avri on this.
> 
> Please be so kind to review the table in this document:
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-scoping-08apr14-en.pdf
> 
> I clearly points to new accountability mechanisms needed for *all*
> functions.

It would be absurd to define new mechanisms if the existing ones are
fully satisfactory.

    Brian

> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> (own views)
> 
> On 22/07/2014 13:30, Avri Doria wrote:
>> On 22-Jul-14 06:00, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
>>> NTIA today has nothing to do with "accountability mechanisms for each
>>> of the parties administering each parameter space" under IETF policy
>>> management, and touches only a very small handful of general purpose
>>> parameter spaces associated with IETF protocols (DNS and IP).
>> I disagree.  NTIA provides a giant accountability function.
>>
>> Just about everyone goes running to NTIA whenever something they don't
>> like happens.  And the fine folks at NTIA finesse the situation and get
>> things back on the right track.  I believe it happens all the time.
>>
>> NTIA are the adults in the room and we better have adequate
>> accountability all around when they step out of their role.
>>
>> avri
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