Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review

[Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>]

Hi SM,

On 10/24/14, 11:02 AM, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Eliot,
> At 03:01 02-09-2014, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> Well, but that was just the start of my list.  Steve Crocker is the
>> chair of the board of ICANN, and he's also the author of RFC 1 (among
>> many others), a former security AD, and an occasional contributor.
>
> From draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-01:
>
>   "It is important to note that the IETF includes anyone who wishes to
>    participate, including anyone from ICANN or the regional Internet
>    registries (RIRs), and many people from those organizations regularly
>    do."
>
> None of the persons listed at
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm participate in DNS
> discussions on IETF mailing lists.  That can be easily verified by
> looking at
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/maillist.html  I
> looked at
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/maillist.html I do
> not see any person affiliated with ICANN or the RIRs participating on
> that mailing list.  I looked at
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ianaplan/current/maillist.html
> There was the CEO of ARIN and the CTO of ICANN participating in the
> discussions.
And the chair of the SSAC, and others who directly participate in other
activities.

>
> I haven't seen your list yet. :-)  

Yes you have, SM, because we have discussed this before.

> In my opinion the quoted text (see above) is to make ICANN and the
> RIRs look good.  That might be appropriate in the IAB Stream instead
> of the IETF Stream.
>
>
>   "The IETF operates an open and transparent manner [RFC6852]."
>
> The reference to RFC 6852 is promoting IAB views instead of the views
> of the IETF (as documented in Standards Track RFCs).

You have the causalities backwards.  6852 summarizes in an informational
a philosophy way that the IETF and other standards bodies use.  It could
be described as an observation, much in the same vein as the tao.

Eliot