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Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 01 November 2014 03:21 UTC

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On 01/11/2014 15:15, David Conrad wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> On Oct 31, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Does ICANN, the names operational community,
>>> have anything to say about 6761 TLDs?
>> I'm sure they have something to say and that it should be listened to.
>> But under the IETF-ICANN MoU the power of decision is with the IETF,
>> subject to IETF process.
> 
> I suspect this might be too simplistic of a view.
> 
> My reading of RFC 2860 section 4.3 suggests that the responsibility for the administration of the domain names is explicitly "outside of the scope of this MOU" unless the assignments are for "technical uses" (the definition of which are undefined, with only inverse DNS lookups being provided as an example).
> 
> RFC 6761 allows for the preemption of _any_ top-level domain name. This would appear to go beyond "technical uses" and get into policy issues regardless of how "technical uses" might be reasonably defined or who does the defining.

I agree there is scope for interpretation; mine is that it is
intended for technical uses (where things like "local" and "home"
are technical).

>>> and how does a possibly fragmented IANA(s) deal with the issue?
>> By each fragment joining in the IETF process.
> 
> This would seem to suggest the IETF process supersedes all other processes and implies that the ICANN naming community should have participated in the discussion related to RFC 6761. This gets into "Beware the Leopard" territory[1].

I am quite unaware of the discussions that led to 6761, but for
technical parameters of IETF protocols, the IETF gets to decide.
If 6761 is (mis)used for non-technical TLD definitions, then yes,
there's an issue.

> In another area, I know in the past folks in select portions of the operational and RIR community simply rejected this approach when it came to address policy (I'll also note that historically, the IETF has in fact refused to accept input from the operational and RIR communities related to address policy: TLAs anyone?).

Right. Personally the TLA business was a learning experience for me.
I hope that RFC 6761 doesn't turn into another one.

   Brian

> Regards,
> -drc
> (ICANN CTO, but speaking only for myself. Really.)
> 
> [1] http://www.planetclaire.org/quotes/hitchhikers#Beware_the_Leopard
>

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