Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 01 November 2014 19:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review
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On 02/11/2014 06:53, David Conrad wrote: > Andrew, > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: >> Additions to the registry require either Standards Action or IESG >> Approval, which is a high bar. > > Given the IETF has delegated administration via RFC 2860, I would have thought it useful to formally include the delegatee in discussions related to the resource (either domain names or IP addresses) being discussed, not just have the decision be solely dependent on the IESG's opinion. Trying to go up a level, what I see here is a very senior member of our wider community (that would be Mr Conrad) telling us of at least two cases (the recent RFC 6761, and the ancient blunder of IPv6 Top Level Aggregation, RFC 2374) where he feels that the IETF side of the house did not in practice consult adequately with the registry or operators sides of the house. And if he feels that, then it's true by definition: we didn't consult enough, period. We fixed the TLA issues by changing the IPv6 specs before any harm was done. I have no doubt we can fix the RFC 6761 issue too, if it proves harmful. There's a lesson there for us, and it isn't one that improving the text of the current draft will resolve, although I do like Suzanne's proposed text. If the IETF (or IESG or IAB) gets too wrapped up in itself, we will screw up. Brian
- [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review David Conrad
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Leslie Daigle (TCE)
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- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Justine Lera
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review David Conrad
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review David Conrad
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review David Conrad
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Marc Blanchet
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review David Conrad
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review John Curran
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- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] A draft for your review JFC Morfin