Re: China

Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> Fri, 08 April 2016 16:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: China
From: Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:
>     > I am sorry to hear that. Our "open and inclusive process" comprises
>     > many participants from China who have traditionally faced harsh and
>     > unpredictable visa problems in North America. In fairness to them, we
>     > held that meeting in Beijing. Note that we did so following an
>     > extensive discussion on the IETF mailing list and after negotiating
>     > the removal of a rather ominous hotel clause, as well as an
> unfiltered
>     > network in the meeting venue.
>
> Yes, and we did this openly, and I don't feel we did the same thing here.
> And there were still surprises, I'm told.
>
> I was very surprised at the announcement for 100.
> I kinda thought we should go back to San Diego as for IETF 1.
> (well. Maybe IETF101 should be same as IETF 1... maybe IETF 100 should be
> same as IETF 0, and be entirely virtual...)
>
> (I didn't go because I generally have funds for two IETFs a year,
> and given the hassle, and my concerns about what I would eat, it was
> simpler
> to skip.  I skipped BA for a combination of economic, but primarily family
> reasons)
>
[MB] You would have had no concerns whatsoever about what to eat in
Beijing.  I ended up with basically a private chef (Chef Eric) who I would
ask for when I went to eat at the hotel restaurant and he would prepare
whatever I wanted (gluten free). Although, I honestly have no desire
whatsoever to go back to Beijing due to the air quality - we got really
lucky the week we were there - you could actually see mountains.[/MB]

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> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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