Re: China

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Fri, 08 April 2016 15:34 UTC

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On 8 Apr 2016, at 16:14, Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com> wrote:
> 
> some on the IAOC wanted to go back to SD for IETF 100 but the facilities were not available 
> at the right time

Ah, I was expecting the plenary drumroll to reveal just this - IETF100 at San Diego. 

A shame it couldn't happen, but perhaps an indicator we do need to keep planning 3-4 years out.

And for the right venue, we should be able to slide the dates forwards/back a week or two. 

Tim

> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:
>>> I am sorry to hear that. Our "open and inclusive process" comprises
>>> many participants from China who have traditionally faced harsh and
>>> unpredictable visa problems in North America. In fairness to them, we
>>> held that meeting in Beijing. Note that we did so following an
>>> extensive discussion on the IETF mailing list and after negotiating
>>> the removal of a rather ominous hotel clause, as well as an unfiltered
>>> network in the meeting venue.
>> 
>> Yes, and we did this openly, and I don't feel we did the same thing here.
>> And there were still surprises, I'm told.
>> 
>> I was very surprised at the announcement for 100.
>> I kinda thought we should go back to San Diego as for IETF 1.
>> (well. Maybe IETF101 should be same as IETF 1... maybe IETF 100 should be
>> same as IETF 0, and be entirely virtual...)
>> 
>> (I didn't go because I generally have funds for two IETFs a year,
>> and given the hassle, and my concerns about what I would eat, it was simpler
>> to skip.  I skipped BA for a combination of economic, but primarily family reasons)
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
>> 
>> 
>> 
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