Re: Concerns about Singapore

Jeffrey Haas <> Thu, 07 April 2016 18:25 UTC

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From: Jeffrey Haas <>
To: Jari Arkko <>
Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 12:31:20PM -0300, Jari Arkko wrote:
> I know that I am personally still in the education phase about the
> situation. But I wanted to follow-up with two points from an IETF
> perspective. First, the ability of our participants to enter our meetings
> without concerns is of crucial importance for us.

As I'm unclear whether I'll be free for mtgvenue, I'll make my statement

The legal environments of the various countries we consider for venues
obviously must be a general consideration for our selection criteria.  For
most considerations, these are "here are thing you do not do - they are not

For this particular issue, the consideration is whether the people themselves
are the thing that is illegal.

While I am unclear on the full legal status of lgbt persons as "illegal
people" within the proposed venue, the laws on the books are obviously
unfriendly.  However, I'll note that even countries that contribute a large
number of our participants have laws on their books that may be similarly
negative and yet are generally known to not be enforced.  This includes the
US and India.

I am happy to see that this consideration is being given discussion.

-- Jeff (one of the impacted parties)