Meetecho was Re: Concerns about Singapore

<lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Tue, 12 April 2016 00:08 UTC

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 00:08:34 +0000 (UTC)
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> People have remote meetings all day, every day.   Lots of technology
> exists, more is being invented all the time.  Perhaps (to follow
> on your mention of Meetecho in 1995) if 20 years had been invested
> in making it work for the IETF then it would be working by now.


http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF95_DTN&chapter=chapter_1

try listening to the first twenty minutes of this.
then tell me if IETF WG meetings with remote presentation
via Meetecho are anything other than a complete waste
of time.

L.

it's not the mediocre English. It's the mediocracy.


Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood 

________________________________
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org>
To: ietf@ietf.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016, 8:34
Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 03:17:39PM +0300, Yoav Nir wrote:
> I don???t believe that this technology exists. 

People have remote meetings all day, every day.   Lots of technology
exists, more is being invented all the time.  Perhaps (to follow
on your mention of Meetecho in 1995) if 20 years had been invested
in making it work for the IETF then it would be working by now.

> Yeah, perhaps, some day when we???re all wearing virtual reality
> headsets and our avatars are hanging out in a virtual venue, and we all
> have sufficient equipment and bandwidth to handle all that. We???re not
> there yet.

Nor is there any need to go there.  Meetings do not require VR.

> Virtual meetings with the technology we have today makes it very hard
> for people with mediocre English to follow the discussion.

That's (a) not a very big problem and (b) a solvable problem.  


What I'm hearing is a lot of we've-always-done-it-this-way.  Well,
that's not working very well except for the privileged elite few
(most of whom are backed by corporations).  And I understand
that those with plenty of money and time and freedom have gotten
comfortable with how-things-are-done.  It's an easy thing to do,
I've done it myself.   But it doesn't serve the long-term interests
of the IETF or the Internet well.


---rsk