Re: Concerns about Singapore

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 10 April 2016 20:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore
To: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:12:31 +1200
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On 11/04/2016 02:48, Michael StJohns wrote:
> On 4/10/2016 10:45 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>> it was clean unfettered Internet.  some local folk stuck their necks out
>>>> very far to accomplish this.  it was definitely different than one got
>>>> outside of the ietf meeting network.  this has been a condition placed
>>>> on hosts and beijing was no exception.
>>> This surprises me - "this has been a condition placed on hosts...".

In the case of Beijing it was very clear from the earliest discussions,
going back to 2005 and before, to my personal knowledge.

...
> 
> I repeat - "where" have the local hosts/laws specified conditions that resulted in the IETF network content access being
> markedly different than that accessible to the random local citizen?

Why is that relevant? The criterion is: can the IETF do its work properly?
Of which a sub-criterion is: will there be clean unfettered Internet at
the meeting site?

How RFC 4084 applies in the local coffee shops is another matter.

   Brian