Re: Concerns about Singapore

Mikael Abrahamsson <> Thu, 07 April 2016 20:00 UTC

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016, Leif Johansson wrote:

>> ​No, I meant that IETF would be doing a disservice to a large part of
>> the world (that has on its books these laws). We need to have a nuanced
>> approach and this being another factor in a multitude of factors. Having
>> a blanket rule that the IETF will not go to any such place is something
>> I disagree with.
> Where do you draw the line then?

I think it's impossible to draw a firm line. Most of it is grey area.

I'm sure I could come up with arguments why we should not go to USA or 
Sweden for our meetings, because neither place if perfect.

There are numerous very "offensive" (or replace with "weird" or some other 
word) laws on the books in most countries, and I do think we have to look 
at how those laws are applied as part of our process in deciding where to 

There are no perfect places to go. There are bad and less bad ones.

Mikael Abrahamsson    email: