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Re: Concerns about Singapore

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Tue, 12 April 2016 11:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore
From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:15:59 +0100
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> On 12 Apr 2016, at 01:50, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
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> The only thing you mentioned that can't be done with existing conferencing software is hums, and I'm sure we could figure out a way to make that work.  It's not rocket science.   Chairs who judge consensus by looking at the room aren't following IETF process--consensus is judged on the mailing list.  Hums are useful for figuring out why we _don't_ have consensus, and for _getting_ to consensus, but if you were to judge consensus by hums or a show of hands, then you'd be taking a vote, wouldn't you?

Meetecho has a ‘hum’ button, which throws ‘hmmmmmm’ into the jabber room for the WG. I did see it used, once. 

Tim

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