Re: Concerns about Singapore

Randy Bush <> Sun, 10 April 2016 13:56 UTC

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>>> Calling the Beijing meeting network open isn't really correct - we had
>>> a reverse VPN to the Internet as it exists outside of the PRC.
>> false.  and i was the noc guy working it.
> I'm curious how it was different. I was certainly was under the
> impression that IETF was treated differently than the general
> populous, making some/most people OK with the meeting being held
> there.

it was clean unfettered Internet.  some local folk stuck their necks out
very far to accomplish this.  it was definitely different than one got
outside of the ietf meeting network.  this has been a condition placed
on hosts and beijing was no exception.  

there were a few gl!tches, as there always are, but they were debugged.
ticket history is the only PII data pile we do not delete at the end of
the meeting, so we may be able to see if mike actually had a ticket and
if it was fixed.

the noc does occasionally discuss that it might be interesting for us to
experience the local internet policies, bandwidth, etc.; a little
reality therapy.  at the dubai ripe meeting, one could not reach
facebook et alia.  is that a major loss?  did riparians learn from it?
would it prevent ietfers to get useful work done?  [ an amusing side
note is that such sites are available in riyadh, which we consider a
much more conservative city. ]

btw, all traffic in and out of singapore, voice and data, has been spied
upon at the most intimate and detailed level for a very long time.
luckily the usa, land of the free, is ..., oh wait.