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Re: Concerns about Singapore

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sun, 10 April 2016 20:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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On 4/10/2016 1:12 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> I repeat - "where" have the local hosts/laws specified conditions that resulted in the IETF network content access being
>> >markedly different than that accessible to the random local citizen?
> Why is that relevant? The criterion is: can the IETF do its work properly?
> Of which a sub-criterion is: will there be clean unfettered Internet at
> the meeting site?


A great deal of IETF work gets done away from the meeting site.  Having 
state-imposed restrictions away from the meeting site invites basic 
productivity limitations.

It also is oddly dissonant with the IETF's general call for open and 
unfettered access.  We risk sounding a tad elitist if it means something 
like "open and unfettered for us, but we're not concerned about you 
other folk"...

To offer an intentionally extreme comparison, imagine having a desire 
that children not be recruited to be soldiers.  (Yes, I know, that's a 
controversial point of view and many reasonable people think it's ok to 
have children be slaughtered and do slaughtering in war...)  But then 
imagine choosing to go to a country that uses children that way, 
formally.  Is it reasonable to go there with the view that it's ok, as 
long as they don't recruit any of /our/ children to be solders?

d/

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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net

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