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Re: Concerns about Singapore and other places

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 12 April 2016 16:53 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:52:40 -0400
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Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore and other places
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The UK filter is an "opt out" filter, and I assume that we (the IETF) opted
out.   Even the "opt out" blocking is voluntary at present--an ISP is not
required by law to have a filter, but in practice the big ones do.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <
phill@hallambaker.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:19 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> >>The IETF has a meeting network requirements document that specifies a
> >>number of parameters which includes no blocking.
> >
> > In London in 2014, do you know whether we were behind the national
> > child porn filters?
> >
> > R's,
> > John
>
> I am not sure that they actually filter.
>
> I think it rather more likely that if you were to surf to
> kiddieporn.com from the Hilton Metropole, that you would find Mr Plod
> knocking on your hotel room door 15 minutes later. That being the
> driving time from New Scotland Yard.
>
>

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