Re: Old directions in social media.

[Michael Thomas <[e-mail]>]

On 1/7/21 8:43 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi Joel,
>
> Everyone wants to have more effective reviews. We have an agreement there.
>
> Where it gets tricky is how to accomplish this (ignoring what "effective" precisely means).
>
> The discussion moved into "I want to use my tools and not yours". There is no middle ground. You want to have everyone use email so you can scan through discussions more easily. Others, who have been working on implementations are familiar with Git, and they seem to feel that they are most efficient using those tools.
>
As I said elsewhere, the problem as I see it with the way that most 
working groups I have been a part of is that the actual editing of the 
document is not very transparent and often just the author's take on 
consensus which can obviously be self-serving if they want to be. Having 
an audit trail of when and why changes were made would be a definite 
move in the right direction. It would also give the chairs an easy way 
to cross check changes where consensus was dubious or not achieved.

Pull requests seem a little baroque, but they are baroque in git too, 
imo. But there is no good way to formally ask that a specific change be 
made in a specific part of the document. That tends to get lost in the 
back and forth of mailing list traffic. The problem with a pull request 
per se is that if it's not a nit it needs to be determined if it has 
consensus. That's not a problem with the normal use of git, but is 
problematic with consensus driven IETF: authors shouldn't be the ones 
arbitrarily calling consensus, though that is often the case by default.

Mike