Re: Remote participation fees

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Thu, 26 February 2015 05:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: Remote participation fees
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Usually, ietf-draft authors that pay in ietf-meetings will get the
best outcome from their efforts and get more interests from the world.
Remote participants need to be encouraged/increased so making it free
is an excellent ietf-strategy currently. IMHO, the utilization&fee
issue is not in the side of remote participants but is in the side of
the f2f participants, because it is still not totally-managed by
session/meeting chairs within IETF meetings (which may be a very good
approach for flexibility). IETF meetings are productive and efficient
but could we make more effort to increase that? we may think to add
fees on draft-authors that need more than 10 minutes to present
their-work/wg-draft?

Is it possible to chair a session and you get 20 participants lined up
while that draft presentation was scheduled for 15 minutes. Or  may I
"line up" for a long time with no much expectation of how long it will
take while the queue has 3 only. Could we have in IETF a determination
of best practice maximum input time per f2f participant per draft.

 I suggest that IETF management guide session chairs to announce
maximum input duration time per draft per meeting-participant, so we
can get the highest efficiency per session/WG-meeting.

AB

On 2/15/15, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It can't be that difficult to make a tool that everyone (including those
> participating f2f) use to "line up" behind the microphone.
>
> Many virtual meeting tools already provide a raise-your-hand feature.
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted Lemon
> Sent: 15 February 2015 04:11
> To: John Leslie
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Remote participation fees
>
> On Feb 14, 2015, at 5:51 PM, John Leslie <john@jlc.net> wrote:
>>   Is there anybody besides the Meetecho folks whose task it is to
>> "make it work"? Is there anybody _including_ the Meetecho folks who
>> has the ability to arrange similar priority at the mike to that of
>> on-site participants?
>
> A tremendous amount of work goes on behind the scenes to make this work, not
> just the meetecho folks.   I remember reporting a problem in a meeting and
> having Alexa show up five minutes later checking to see if it was fixed, and
> I know that other folks from AMS and from the NOC work hard on this.
>
>