Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing participation (was Re: Remote participation fees)

joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Mon, 02 March 2015 01:55 UTC

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You're gonna have to stop using my icescast server if you want to charge
money to access it remotely...

Seriously  though, any number of the components of remote participation
have been provided by volunteers or on a best effort basis even when the
service itself has been professionalized.

On 3/1/15 1:43 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org>
> wrote:
>> Perhaps dropping the idea of imposing a fee for remote participants
>> might help? Or not imposing a fee for non-financed individual
>> participants? Or not imposing a fee for participants from MICs and
>> LICs?
> 
> I think everybody who's stated an opinion on this has said that there
> would be no fee or a small fee which could be waived for people who
> aren't being supported to attend.   MIC/LIC status would certainly be
> a relevant factor.
> 
>