Re: Remote participation fees

Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> Sun, 15 February 2015 13:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: Remote participation fees
From: Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
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On Feb 15, 2015, at 8:31 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> However, the example you note is part of my concern about
> whether the IETF is serious about remote participation.
> [...]

In the interests of brevity I won't include the entire essay you wrote here, but I agree with everything you said in it.   My reason for pointing out the hard work of the people who make the meetecho go is to emphasize their hard work and that fact that that even more such hard work would be required to increase the level of service.