Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work

Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> Thu, 26 February 2015 12:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work
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On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:01 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>> People are having interim meetings because a one or two day meeting on one topic is a lot more productive than an IETF WG session.
> Or because weekly meetings are more efficient.

Well, they certainly get more done.   I think 6tisch does bi-weekly meetings because it allows them to keep momentum and make continuous forward progress between IETFs.   I think this is a really good thing, although I agree with the observation that such meetings make things harder for people who are not able to be full-time contributors.

I think there is a real tension between a high clock rate enabling a good rate of progress and a too-high clock rate excluding participants.   I don't think there's an easy answer to this: I think that participants who are less able to attend than they would like need to have conversations with their working group chairs and/or ADs to see if the clock rate can be slowed somewhat without damaging the effectiveness of the working group.   I don't think there will ever be one answer to this that applies to all working groups.