Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work

Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net> Thu, 26 February 2015 19:21 UTC

Return-Path: <bensons@queuefull.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D161A1B1C for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:17 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.601
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20d0K9xocU0k for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-qg0-f54.google.com (mail-qg0-f54.google.com [209.85.192.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907631A1AF0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z60so10288960qgd.13 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:15 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dtrsKhfnb8Y8eUzgI53ixeEfNsreHRyCbYioBoYAgUU=; b=BPUGIi60f010WGAoePdUl8ndAs7UWgun3XjxkCSIdVepSso4n8rTkiOyZj7OaroD0y 4445MR8lPhP4bsz2V2ts2UcM16SdXOah8b1DbJydWWMqWEU42N6bE+CCH3YhDxac0Glt 4rnJo5vP+Wg7CP+AmrwDPrRUVIUyQkZE+Tm9qjZww09KhL1M3pYZUJGU6N4HYJqv00MU H+W8zNqjYIAMNVMozJILNek+qEzUfg7Guvv40aeYUfgcGLJAxHH+5sP7V1zGCQG6o6Nj GysLWZ62QbwvUmZXeFOB0C70z92luL3LEbs7b7kNiT5GKkEQooX0tKNI+vS2m5h97VVc JYag==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljsL+oW7k/9Az6IlRxdQIapKi3t7Q3ufZC5f+MPU3e1YkwqYBWXrtdN+LnE8cwvJPpkzq5
X-Received: by 10.140.96.55 with SMTP id j52mr20410534qge.92.1424978475792; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:15 -0800 (PST)
Received: from desolation.local (68-115-154-254.static.hckr.nc.charter.com. [68.115.154.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z13sm1100939qaq.15.2015.02.26.11.21.14 for <ietf@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:21:14 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <54EF7229.1030301@queuefull.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:21:13 -0500
From: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work
References: <CAL0qLwZk=k-CWLte_ChK9f1kzLwMOTRyi7AwFa8fLjBsextBcA@mail.gmail.com> <2457EE06-4960-40B5-AF10-2EDFBF18B2B6@nominum.com> <7C601AA4-55C4-43FE-B2FE-1D22BD73F166@vigilsec.com> <CAKHUCzyJ62hVyJVVLuL5-nXx_i5VO2cW3LA6R1sdZbDHxoY_Tw@mail.gmail.com> <43ADF7ED-6A42-4097-8FFA-5DA0FC21D07A@vigilsec.com> <CAKHUCzyfB+GhNqmDhrzki4tVn0faMLyt_cqgeHFcQL2b5pkkAQ@mail.gmail.com> <54DE3E1C.6060105@gmail.com> <007301d04927$64890d40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <54EDA697.5070107@cisco.com> <01c701d050f6$c80fcd00$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <CAMm+LwgzXg+QM29ygS0Bv+HOo2Gd-hPByXYz2aVu-V4b=Jak+Q@mail.gmail.com> <54EEFCFB.7080107@cisco.com> <047F946E-3041-4510-8F78-D8D743C4FEED@nominum.com> <939B49536ECD5BFA17B5E5C4@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <48DFF1A2-9BD0-4E08-B44A-704D5DCC278E@nominum.com> <54EF3644.7090808@joelhalpern.com> <02ED4331-9441-484C-96A6-70352C42ABBC@nominum.com> <54EF426A.9070706@joelhalpern.com> <31CF2C53-8168-4B2F-9E14-76FB44854813@nominum.com>
In-Reply-To: <31CF2C53-8168-4B2F-9E14-76FB44854813@nominum.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/QiDPUqdlACPa2WYK06TH-yrNZXk>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:21:18 -0000

Ted Lemon wrote:
> we in fact do do work during f2f meetings, and the rule is "confirm
> on the mailing list."   If working groups are not following that same
> practice during interim meetings, they are doing it wrong.

I agree with this. In particular, I think the best mindset is that a 
WG's mailing list is the authoritative record. Decisions that happen in 
any sort of meeting are tentative until they find their way to the 
mailing list. (BTW: I think this helps avoid the dependence on having 
great minutes taken by volunteers, and the inevitable disappointment 
that brings.)

Cheers,
-Benson