Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing participation (was Re: Remote participation fees)

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Sun, 01 March 2015 15:27 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 10:26:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing participation (was Re: Remote participation fees)
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org> wrote:
> Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> [2015-02-28 21:07:56 -0500]:
>>
>> So, if you prefer to say that I'm still not acting "in my personal
>> capacity", very well; but I'd like to know what the difference is (in
>> operationalized terms, please).
>
> As you seem to have noted, I believe funding to take part in IETF
> proceedings (and physical meetings) is the key.
>
> Not because it "influences" the views you put forward at the IETF.  (It may
> or may not do so.)
>
> But because it enables you to participate more steadily in the IETF than
> someone who is not similarly funded.  That ability to participate has all
> manners of implications, including the ability to be chair of WGs, etc.

Your position seems to be that persons with more resources can, if
they choose to use those resources, have more influence than those
with less resources. So what is your proposed solutions? That the IETF
should impose a world-wide re-distributive tax scheme so that everyone
in the world has the same resources at their dispose? I would question
the practicality of that.

Thanks,
Donald
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