Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets
Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Tue, 24 April 2012 23:31 UTC
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From: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, Robin Uyeshiro <uyeshiro@IfA.Hawaii.Edu>, "mrex@sap.com" <mrex@sap.com>, 'Sam Hartman' <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets
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Remember, this whole discussion is about a) taking pictures, and b) publishing them. Avoid either, and we should be completely save. Do both, and it still takes at least one person to take offense to the point where he calls police or runs to a lawyer, proof, a judge finding that the privacy rights of the person have been violated, and so on. People take pictures in meetings all the time, in Germany and elsewhere. Folks exceed the speed limit (yes, even in Germany large stretches of the freeway system and all other roads have a speed limit :-). In either case, many say that the risk is in an acceptable relationship with the benefits. Stephan On 4.24.2012 16:19 , "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > > >--On Tuesday, 24 April, 2012 11:52 -1000 Robin Uyeshiro ><uyeshiro@IfA.Hawaii.Edu> wrote: > >> <snip> >> The issue with John's purpose is that he is taking a picture >> of the audience(!), and if you take such a picture from the >> front in a small meeting room, there might a small number of >> folks end up _prominently_ in the foreground of that picture, >> at which point their consent will be required. > >Again, IANAL and I don't think you are either, so I don't want >to argue "prominently" versus "non-prominently". I can assure >that, when pictures were used, the clear intent was the everyone >with his or her hand up was individually identifiable and almost >everyone else was too. > > john > >
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