Re: [111attendees] test
David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org> Fri, 23 July 2021 15:31 UTC
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From: David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:30:22 -0600
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] test
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Even corporately, for someone like myself, where my IETF participation is just a small part of my job. It isn't too difficult to justify the small charge for online participation. Once travel is factored in, the in-person participation becomes much more difficult to justify. This is the main reason that I've only been able to participate, so far, online. I've appreciated how much better that works for me, with these ones where everyone is on line. Online is challenging when there is a drastic timezone difference. With on-site travel, it is easier to adapt, since everything around you is in the new timezone. It doesn't work so well with remote participation. David On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:08 AM Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> wrote: > Another aspect that needs some thoughts is cost. > > In person participation even if you live in an Airbnb, a 2* hotel or with > friends and not at the 5* IETF hotels (even at reduced rates) is a major > monetary investment. If we want go get more people involved this has to be > in the equation. I am IRTF of course but to get more academic participation > the economics are part of it. > > But there is more: participants without corporate accounts (see costs > above), with family or teaching obligations or with other issues have > always participated remotely. So we can just extend it? > > And while I really want to start seeing you guys again we need to be > realistic. > > mjm > > Marie-Jose Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D. > marie@mjmontpetit.com > > > > > On Jul 23, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > You approach this from the angle we have been using for a decade now: > remote participation as a backpack on a local meeting. As you say, that > doesn’t work too well. > > Covid-19 gives us a unique chance to actually have the majority of the > IETF participants (and not just the weird ones :-) be online. > > Re failures: I would prefer not to have them, instead of worrying how the > characteristics of the meeting will change when we do have them. (I > remember the plenary when the power in the hotel failed… IIRC, we just > stopped the meeting for half an hour; but I’m sure there were productive > discussions between the people in the room during this time, and that is > fine.) > > Hybrid meetings failed in the past because there was no collective > discipline to operate in this way. > > > (The backpack thing. Remote people are weird, and we’ll make “best > effort” (i.e., not much at all) to accommodate them. That, again, is > changing.) > > All that said, I don’t mind *some* advantages for people who actually > travel; but I’m sure those advantages will be on the hallways and not in > the meetings. > > Grüße, Carsten > > -- > 111attendees mailing list > 111attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees > > > -- > 111attendees mailing list > 111attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees >
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