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Re: [77attendees] Ad hoc meetings (Was: Re: Bar BoF: ip traceback)

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Mon, 29 March 2010 07:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [77attendees] Ad hoc meetings (Was: Re: Bar BoF: ip traceback)
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Heh. Nice writeup. I can confirm your anecdotal evidence, as I stepped 
outside the hotel for the first time on Wednesday and saw the first 
sunlight on Friday afternoon :-)

But to get serious for a moment I have two comments. First, as I said 
earlier in this thread I consider the ability to make drastic changes 
very important at an early stage of an idea. For various reasons, 
powerpoint and big meetings may not be helpful in this regard.

Secondly, as Brian pointed out there is also an aspect of fairness and 
openness. Maybe you *want* to find other like minded people that you 
didn't already know. And those people may want to participate. So I'm 
not sure the answer is closed meetings, either.

Jari

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