Re: [77attendees] Bar BoF: ip traceback

[Hiroaki Hazeyama <[e-mail]>]

Dear, Yoav and Jari,
this is Hiroaki Hazeyama.

Now, I 'm writing the minutes of IP traceback bar bof. I'll submit the 
minutes to the 77attendee ML.

Also I'll contact to AD to open ip traceback bof in next IETF meetings.


Thanks,
H. Hazeyama

(2010/03/26 1:46), Jari Arkko wrote:
> Yoav,
>
> Thanks for the report! Additional comments inline:
>
>> The just made the two presentations (traceback experiment and using this to identify BOTs based on their DNS requests). Both presentations are on the web page.
>>
>> There were no ADs in the room. AFAIK no WG chairs either, which is somewhat a shame, so no conclusions either.
>>    
>
> Yeah. Sorry for not being in the room. I wanted to be there, but 
> already had multiple overlapping things on that timeslot... that being 
> said, the lack of ADs or chairs should not prevent conclusions from 
> being made :-)
>
>> My own, personal conclusion was that this was interesting and has potential. There *is* work to be done (two different versions that they wrote did not interoperate properly) and since success requires wide adoption by ISPs, I believe that the IETF is probably the right place for this.  But these are just my personal opinions, and I have no idea if we can get enough people to actually work on this.
>>
>> I suggest that the correct next step is for the authors to contact one or more ADs. Though this seems directly related to security, the fact that this would be a protocol that would run between AS edge routers, it could fall to other areas as well. So I think the next step should be scheduling a BoF for next IETF, and making sure that the right people are there.
>>    
>
> The question in my mind is: is the world interested in this 
> technology. Previous IETF efforts in traceback failed IMO due to lack 
> of operator/vendor interest. We should not create new efforts unless 
> that interest surges again. Is it surging, and if so, why?
>
> Jari
>
>> On Mar 25, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Are there minutes, or better yet, a conclusion?
>>>
>>> Jari
>>>
>>> Hiroaki Hazeyama kirjoitti:
>>>      
>>>> We putted our presentation materials of the ip traceback bar bof on
>>>> https://www.telecom-isac.jp/tb/index_e.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> H. Hazeyama
>>>>
>>>> (2010/03/24 9:23), Hiroaki Hazeyama wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>> the location of the ip traceback bar bof is Carmel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> H. Hazeyama
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (2010/03/23 22:06), Hiroaki Hazeyama wrote:
>>>>>          
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have a IP traceback bar bof
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Day: Wednesday March 24
>>>>>> Time: 11:45,
>>>>>> location: TBD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to come for a discussion and suggestions and comments are
>>>>>> highly desired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The agenda of our Bar BOF is as follows;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - introduction of the traceback architecture of the field trial in
>>>>>> Japan
>>>>>> (10 min.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hazeyama-traceback-field-trial-00.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - evaluation results of the tracback field trial in Japan (10 min.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - DNS log-based traceback (10 min.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> H. Hazeyama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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