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Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Fri, 26 March 2010 03:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [77attendees] Ad hoc meetings (Was: Re: Bar BoF: ip traceback)
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Lars Eggert allegedly wrote on 03/25/2010 18:40 PDT:
> Hi,
> 
> the recent shift in what bar BOFs are has been bugging me for the last few IETFs. This week, it bugged me enough to write something down. Comments welcome.
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-eggert-successful-bar-bof-00.txt
> 
> Lars

Lars, I think you're trying to distinguish between a "hash out ideas"
session and a "gather support" session.  I think the reason we're seeing
formal bar BOFs is because there is too big a gap between "hash out
ideas" and an approved BOF, so people are inventing intermediate
versions.  I've heard from a number of people who are intimidated by
everything it takes to get a BOF approved, so I'm not surprised if
people take an easy way to an intermediate state if it's offered.

A combination of making it easier to hold approved BOFs and saying a
"bar BOF" should not use IETF-paid-for facilities, even if they are
lying fallow, might take care of the problem.

Scott

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