Re: [77attendees] Ad hoc meetings (Was: Re: Bar BoF: ip traceback)

I agree with Brian.  I liked the way that Aaron Falk conducted the so-called
"Internet Of Things"  Bar bof on Monday evening.  No slides and an open
monologue on the topic.  Then he took notes at the same time he was queuing
open discussion.  It was held in an open area outside the conference rooms
in circular format.  He made some concluding remarks and took names of
people to follow-up on.  In similar fashion, the bar bof on clouds was held
at lunch time slot and had also about 85 attendees and only 3 or 4 slides
were put up just to give a bit of background.  Attendees brought their lunch
and it was a very nice large room with people around large tables and seats
off to side for late comers.  Then there was nice queuing for discussion by
Hannes who aided the organizer to ensure open discussion.  The organizer
meet prior with Ads and IAB members to get advice and it was conducted just
to have some "open and initial dialogue" without the intent to form a
working group.  So these turned out to be very successful bar bofs without
excluding anyone and without pretending to be real BOFs.

Finally, the homegate Bar BoF in Stockholm held its meeting in a room that
was announced and then most of that group went out to bar (paid for by a
company sponsor) and continued to discuss the technical topics more like
traditional bar bofs.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: 77attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:77attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:52 PM
To: Jari Arkko
Cc: Thomson, Martin; 77attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [77attendees] Ad hoc meetings (Was: Re: Bar BoF: ip traceback)

On 2010-03-26 10:08, Jari Arkko wrote:
...
> In any case, I'm not sure its a good trend that our Bar BoFs are
> becoming more like official meetings, with rooms, presentations, etc.

Rather to my surprise, I found myself running a barless bar BOF with
at least 40 people in the room, and we needed microphone discipline,
both so that everyone could hear and to avoid the discussion fragmenting.

Clearly, this discussion could never have happened in the bar.

That's what happens when you announce bar BOFs to 1200 people,
I guess. But if you don't announce them, and dont't use a decent
room, some people will feel excluded.

It's a dilemma. But I'd rather we avoid any rule making, except the
pragmatic rule that the secretariat needs a nod from an AD before
allocating a room, since that is a finite and possibly costly
resource. A bar BOF with rules doesn't seem like the right thing.

    Brian
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