Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 15 August 2013 13:25 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@taugh.com>
X-Original-To: 87attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 87attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A7721F9263 for <87attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.6
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QrZ431K3ayIC for <87attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0170821E804B for <87attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 27180 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2013 13:25:04 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent:cleverness; s=6a2b.520cd6b0.k1308; bh=lXh6cK+YXvo8MgO8jJV1f2rShLUCgD7RD1t/2UlW5Kw=; b=t1BjqAT6EWYjLuSKQiNaKuBFnbcWclNG2xJD+jXS5Xq/MqvFIjUB0UYCDkB4Pg/tK1NFlJLrG3QAnR6lcIpcz6B/MmmcU/Za4zfFVWCu6vASHai3hymR5FxIkDGVLmElYCvaxuL60VS28RaKuJ9o/KcWMAw06s19yIMocQtLJomudL/C4BXbUS9hJzkh6x87fvzKma2tPv/Ra7t2imS3jJh32jwIfiE2dIlGhM2cPjrxL+L05wLvdINykOCD0MiX
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent:cleverness; s=6a2b.520cd6b0.k1308; bh=lXh6cK+YXvo8MgO8jJV1f2rShLUCgD7RD1t/2UlW5Kw=; b=fhM5SjwLu+jnsXVxqDTtRDgDoyCCfRqWszGIiy4pvKxV/TshA5n8KmdK/nUfvgg3rmUCYAACtjPuQ2oe1jpqNx24+xqbLaE07U3DbjV3OiRTqds0H88iKmjiT6GvhhuraqfCnrU1L7th2Nxvhxmpdxk4imQWRxcXYtCK/1wDSDosnCSKEr/Oq9c69fqV7k1B7gOR0Twayvvh7gNj18GuB22wzCXbtAXqaQtV7e1Z9Yi38YrGqQW6aBYvyCvC80Ss
Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 15 Aug 2013 13:24:42 -0000
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:25:03 -0400
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1308150924220.39997@joyce.lan>
From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
To: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.01.1308140759350.62956@173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net>
References: <CE30E68C.1F4CF%dharkins@arubanetworks.com> <alpine.OSX.2.01.1308140759350.62956@173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23)
Cleverness: None detected
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed"
Cc: "87attendees@ietf.org attendees" <87attendees@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
X-BeenThere: 87attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: <87attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/87attendees>, <mailto:87attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/87attendees>
List-Post: <mailto:87attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:87attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees>, <mailto:87attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:25:17 -0000

> Same here, sort of. I came by train from Leipzig which is about an
> hour from Berlin. The A/C in our car failed so I am sure I was just
> as grumpy and tired as some of the ones who had travelled much further
> that day ;=)

I came from Groningen in NL, which due to trackwork involved a regional 
train, a bustitution through rural eastern NL, a local train, an IC that 
was supposed to go through to Berlin but terminated in Hannover due to 
flood damage, and an overcrowded ICE (due to all the people dumped off the 
IC) where I only got a seat because I am a nerd, looked at the platform 
train map, and knew exactly where to stand so I would be at the correct 
door when the train stopped.

So, yes, it was nice to get a room at my hotel and take a shower.  The 
draft beer on the ICE helped, too.

By the way, the wifi on Dutch regional trains is amazing.  It is free, it 
works well, and it knows what train you're on so the startup page shows 
your upcoming stations with delay info updated in real time.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly

PS: I also agree that it is not in our interest to help hotels walk 
people.  It's their mistake, it's up to them to deal with it, they can see 
where people are from and estimate how far they've come.