Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Wed, 14 August 2013 14:35 UTC
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > Ray, this is just a thought, and I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it in Orlando, but if the conference hotel can tag 30 walkers in advance, could they go one step further and tag 30 people who didn't travel intercontinentally to get there? That's a good question. Do others feel the same way? Of course, as in Orlando, they asked us to select ones not to move and we refused. There are no VIPs. We asked them to make the selection a random one. Ray > > I don't know whether I'll be in the conference hotel in Dallas next time, but I was last time; it would be morally wrong to check me in after a 30-minute commute and walk someone else after 24 hours in transit :-) > > Spencer, who's not JUST jealous that he didn't get walked to one of the Nick cartoon suites ... > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2013, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; > > I wanted to give you some feedback on the meeting in Berlin. > > IETF 87 Brings Record Number of Attendees! > > Congratulations! With 1,435 attendees (1,381 paid and 54 comped) in Berlin, including 199 from Germany!, IETF 87 is the most attended meeting since 1,450 attended IETF 63 in Paris in 2005. The IETF is now even more global with representatives from 62 countries attending, a new high. See <http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Regional-Attendance-00.pdf>. > > Rock-Solid Meeting Network! > > Once again attendees enjoyed a rock-solid network throughout the week. There were very few tickets and only some early v6 failures that were quickly resolved. > > The network team of Verilan and the IETF Volunteers (Vols) began arriving Tuesday, 23 August to configure equipment and set up. Upon finding that one of the Juniper routers had been damaged in transit, an emergency call to Juniper resulted in two routers delivered immediately to the site. Thank you Juniper. > > Thanks also to Deutsche Telekom (DT) for their early delivery of the circuits and Clemens Schrimpe for getting the links up and tested in advance, which significantly shortened the setup time. > > The Team was able to get the InterContinental guest rooms Internet supported by the IETF shortly after noon on Friday, an event that usually occurs Saturday or even Sunday. Great job. > > A pilot of the NAT64 network was set up and feedback is that it worked reasonably well. > > Thanks to the IETF Vols and Verilan for another great meeting network. > > Value Added Tax (VAT) > > This was the first meeting the IAOC encountered the Value Added Tax (VAT) and its impact on revenues and expenses. Upon advice of tax experts the IAOC found that the IETF was required to charge a 19% VAT on meeting fees in Germany. Instead of adding the VAT charge on top of the base registration fee, the IAOC elected to include the VAT within the existing fee structure. This means that registration revenues are lower than previously expected, creating a shortfall of $137,000 USD. > > Employers may be be able to recover their employee's VAT on registration, lodging and food and beverage. Additional details can be found at the VAT FAQ: <https://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/vat.html> This impact to the budget will be offset somewhat by our ability to recover VAT of about $65,000 USD on meeting expenses. > > We are not yet certain how VAT may apply to future meetings, and are currently investigating the tax regulations for both Vancouver and London. When VAT charges do apply, the IAOC will review each situation and may choose to implement the VAT differently than it was handled for IETF 87. > > Overbooking of InterContinental > > We were notified by the InterContinental that they were overbooked for Sunday, 28 July and that they would be arranging and paying for accommodations at a nearby five star hotel for 30 IETFers for that evening. We requested that each affected attendee be notified in advance and also that the InterContinental work to minimize the number who needed to be moved. In the end there were 16 who stayed at the Hotel Palace and only one who showed up at the InterContinental not having received the notice prior to arrival. > > Onsite Issues > > There were a few glitches in the operations during the week, but improvements were made quickly, such as the Grab-N-Go experience on Monday and ensuring enough of the right kinds of soft drinks. > The Secretariat reports that it was very pleased with the responsiveness and professionalism of the InterContinental staff. > > Remote Participation > > In response to feedback from remote participants a new section called Remote Participation was added to the meeting home page to assist those offsite with finding information they need in one location. It will remain and be enhanced from community input. > > Bits-n-Bites > > Bits-N-Bites turned out to be a popular event again with good exhibits, a great turnout and lots of food. Problems with shipping, customs and electrical power created some anxiety before the event, but with quick work by John Brzozowski and staff adaptations were made, and with these lessons learned we anticipate such issues will not recur. > > I've listed all of the Berlin meeting and Bit-N-Bites sponsors below. Thanks for your support. We could not have successful meetings without you. Thanks again to DENIC for stepping up when we had no Host and arranging for the social at the German Museum of Technology. It was grand. > > IETF 88 in Vancouver begins on 3 November, just 3 months from now. We hope to see you there! > > Ray > IETF Administrative Director > > PS: See also IETF Chair, Jari Arkko, blog: http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/08/meeting-summary/ > > IETF 87 Sponsors > > Platinum DENIC > Gold EURid > Gold DTAG > Bronze Dyn > Bronze eco > > Connectivity DTAG > > Welcome Reception EURid > > > Ice Cream Social ADVA Optical Networking > > Bits-N-Bites > A10 Networks > Comcast > Dyn > Huawei > ICANN > Internet Society > nominum > > > _______________________________________________ > 87all mailing list > 87all@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87all > _______________________________________________ > 87attendees mailing list > 87attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ray Pelletier
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dan Harkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- [87attendees] Hotels and walking (was: [87all] IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Hotels and walking Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Derek Atkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John Bradley
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Hardie
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tony Hansen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Lou Berger
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Kevin Lahey
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Raitme Citterio
- [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andy Bierman
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hermin Anggawijaya
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Scott Brim
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Eric McMurry
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Samuel Weiler
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Elwyn Davies
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Rosen, Brian