Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)

"Carlos M. Martinez" <carlos@lacnic.net> Fri, 16 August 2013 17:12 UTC

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If one declined to participate, well, the organization can tell us about
that. We can take that into account when we vote with our wallets.

Also, no one is asking the IAOC to enter into exclusivity agreements
with anyone. If three, four companies might want to have booths there,
the more the merrier.

I also consider a reasonable expectation that IETF attendees are well
versed into the differences between CDMA and GSM/3G networks, as well as
the different bands in operation.

cheers!

~Carlos

On 8/16/13 1:26 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> Nay. If the host wants to arrange this, fine. But some countries have strange laws about this. Some phones work on some networks, but not on others. 
>
> In Orlando, I found out that my phone would work on the Verizon network, but not AT&T. If the booth sold AT&T sims, we could have a nice, big discussion about why we didn't have Verizon and how I've wasted $X for a card that doesn't work.
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
>
>> On 8/15/2013 7:05 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>> We've asked about this before, but it hasn't got traction.
>>
>> Worthy topics often fail to get traction on an IETF list because discussion gets sidetracked, rather than because the topic lacks support.  Absent a core of active advocates, there is no source of pressure for pursuing the topic.
>>
>> When a topic shows up repeatedly and mostly (or only) garners positive comments and isn't very difficult to pursue, we should press a bit harder for its adoption.
>>
>> So here's a simple proposal that I will ask the rest of you to express support for:
>>
>>     The IAOC should pursue having a local SIM card rental booth at future IETF meetings.  The card choices should represent locally competitive costs and services.
>>
>>
>> Yeah or nay?
>>
>> d/
>>
>> -- 
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>> bbiw.net
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