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[DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 24 April 2025 17:01 UTC

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2025, Wes Hardaker wrote:
> "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>
>> There are 43 two letter "user assigned" ISO 3166 codes that will never
>> be assigned to geographic places, so I think it is safe to assume they
>> will never be TLDs.
>
> I'd argue we shouldn't me making specifications that based on "safe to
> assume" type situations.

Given the link from 3166 to ccTLDs I think it's as safe as anything in the 
ICANN world, but my point is that in practice what people do with 
.INTERNAL is the same as what they've been doing all along with other 
domains so there's nothing special about it.

R's,
John

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