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Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

Hector <sant9442@gmail.com> Sun, 11 September 2011 21:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels
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John C Klensin wrote:

>> --On Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:57 -0400 Russ Housley
>> However, if we go straight to a one-level now, and then learn
>> that a two-level would have been better, we would be stuck.
> 
> But, if we go from a three-level to a two-level now, without
> compelling evidence that it would make an improvement, and then
> learn that a three-level would have been better, we would also
> be stuck.   I'm not sure I see the difference between the two
> cases.
> 
> But I also don't see any advantage in prolonging the discussion.
> If I correctly understand Jari's note, the IESG has decided that
> there is adequate consensus for this move.  Either people will
> appeal that decision after it is formally announced or they
> won't.  I would hope that, even if there is an appeal, it would
> not reopen the discussions we have been having over and over
> again.  If no one does, or if any appeal that is ultimately
> filed is ultimately rejected, my hope is that we can all pull
> together to try to make this work.

Do you have list of documents that might immediately benefit or would 
be top candidates to be moved to IS?  Top ten?

FWIW, I was wondering which BIS documents with no RFC publication 
dates would be candidates.  93 total.

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