Re: Other proposals (Was: :Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels)

SM <sm@resistor.net> Sat, 03 September 2011 10:45 UTC

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Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 03:45:01 -0700
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: Other proposals (Was: :Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels)
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Hi Jari,
At 15:05 02-09-2011, Jari Arkko wrote:
>But what I really wanted to say here was a response to your concern 
>about those proposals to do something else. Let me just state this 
>clearly. I know I would be VERY happy to sponsor many different 
>kinds of improvement proposals. In sequence or in parallel with the 
>current proposal. I'm already sponsoring another one (though it is 
>destined to an IESG statement and somewhat related to this one, but 
>it could have been something else too). I think I'm speaking also 
>for the rest of the IESG in this. Please make the proposals.

I sent you a message off-list.

If I had to reach a conclusion, I'd say: it's one of this situations 
where you can be as fair as it gets but you cannot please 
everybody.  You have put in more that enough effort into this.

Regards,
-sm