Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Sat, 10 September 2011 20:09 UTC

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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels
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Hi.  I feel it's reasonable for me to speak up since I have not done so
in over a year on this document so my opinion probably has not been
counted.

1) I support moving to a two level process.

2) I've generally supported versions of this document I have read. I
have not read this version in detail.

In regard to more global issues.

I do not think the following types of comments should be considered as
objections when judging this sort of consensus:

1) You are not solving the most important problem

2) This will not do any good


Statements of those forms can be combined with objections. "This will
not do any good and might do harm so I don't support it," clearly is an
objection. Objections can be as simple and non-specific as "I don't like
it," or more actionable. More thought out objections carry more weight
in some senses. I certainly would hate to see us block on someone simply
saying "I don't like it." Either enough people say that that we fail to
have rough consensus or not enough people say that and we move on. More
detailed objections may be worth blocking on for a time to try and
resolve; we seem to be past point of diminishing returns here.