Re: [102attendees] [103attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 09:13:48AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote:
> Please read George's note carefully.  Please read Andrew
> Sullivan's explanation on the IETF list of why IAOC could not
> give more specific guidance and should not try. 

Can you provide message-IDs or the like ? I could not find either
after you mentioned them the first time around. Alas, google does
not even seem to index the mailing list archive... Or i am just
incapable to do the right search.

> People do go to jail, or get unceremoniously ejected, for
> representing themselves as tourists only to have the country
> decide they are something else.  

Any example for Thailand you can point to ?

Btw: Not sure if this could happen in thaling, but another degree
of border confusion (entering USA in this case):

You have a B1 Visa to conduct business for the USA. The actual
admission state to the USA is NOT the visa itself, but whatever
the border agent may scribble/include in the admission stamp:
how long you can stay AND your admission state. So for whatever
reason (like tiredness) the border agent put B2 into the stamp.
Then you come to the business' company offices, they check the
stamp and see its not a B1 stamp, and then they won't let you
attend the business meeting and/or have someone rush off to the
airport to get the stamp fixed/upgraded to B1/B2.

> or even the ... eating habits of a country's leadership,
> think carefully about how they deal with that sort of that sort
> of dissent, and whether you want to go there at all, independent
> of visa category.  Again, there is little in that advice that is
> specific to Thailand.

Are you suggesting americans to stop obsessing about their
leaderships eating habbits and find something less fun to waste
their time on ?

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/03/what-the-fork-trump-explains-why-he-used-utensils-with-his-pizza/

> But let's not drag this discussion out further: it appears to me
> to be adding almost no signal to the noise.  YMMD about that to;
> if it does, I suppose you should go for it.

I feel that continue to learn new good insights from this thread,
you explanations included.

Chers
    Toerless

> best,
>    john
> 
> 
> --On Thursday, September 6, 2018 16:20 +1000 George Michaelson
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> > A friend got permission to travel to the US for a health
> > related conference, as an Iranian, resident in Australia, and
> > working in a non-nuclear field. She even got to the door of
> > the conference and the registration desk before somebody
> > realised the university housed a nuclear reactor, and
> > therefore by definition she should have been denied entry for
> > this  specific meeting. She wound up being personally directed
> > off campus, escorted back to LAX, and sat with until outside
> > the US border until she could be flown home, hugely
> > embarrassing for her personally, and the conference, who
> > risked defaulting on US embargo rules which are otherwise
> > strictly enforced.
> > 
> > The moral of the story, (because this is on topic) is that you
> > should *never* trust a website associated with a conference or
> > meeting to correctly describe your personal immigration
> > status, right of entry, visa obligations. They cannot know
> > everything about you.
> > 
> > Have you ever insulted the Thai royal family in print or
> > online? You are strongly advised not to go to Thailand as
> > imprisonment may offend (you). Is this discussed on the visa
> > page?
> > 
> > Folks, the IETF information is at best advisory: They cannot
> > guarantee you will get entry, even if you wave the letter of
> > invitation. "it depends"
> >...
> 
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