Re: [102attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 15 October 2018 18:38 UTC

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 20:38:48 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Dean Bogdanovic <dean@voltanet.io>
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Subject: Re: [102attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter
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Maybe its just consulates financing themselves from visa fees and
employees trying to keep their job by trying to mark off all possible
boxes. You know: flourishing bureaucracy.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 02:24:03PM -0400, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> Well, the guidelines are not even consistent between consulates. If you look in the US NYC and DC, their guidelines are different. At the end, I went to Thai consulate in person and got the visa issued there, with all the questions answered on the spot.
> 
> But something to remember for next time when selecting the venue.
> 
> TBH, I???m surprised how complicated this ended up being, when the tourism is such an important contributor to country GDP. Apparently all countries want to increase their share in conference tourism, as it is a very profitable vertical.
> 
> Dean
> 
> > On Oct 15, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net> wrote:
> > 
> > The thai visa thing is mildly hysterical, people dealing with visa here cannot figure out whether ???presenting??? @ conference conducts business or not.
> > 
> > Now they want a letter of invitation from Thailand _including my address while in Thailand_ otherwise no visa can be granted by Thai guidelines ???
> > 
> > Is there a way to get a letter of invitation updated where the address of staying in Thailand is provided on it?
> > 
> > I???ll mail the inviter directly as well ???
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > --- tony
> > 
> > 
> > <102attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of chopps@gmail.com> spake:
> > 
> > 
> >    Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com> writes:
> > 
> >> Everyone has their own circumstances, but it is really a shame that we (IETF as an organization) can't get a definitive statement from the Thai authorities (i.e. in writing that we can all print & bring) that attending this conference is not considered as "business" by Thailand.  That would save a lot of grief (and same was true for Buenos Aires and will be true for many future IETFs).
> > 
> >    This sure would be nice. Just the simple declaration that attending the conference is not considered conducting business would be enough I think.
> > 
> >    Thanks,
> >    Chris.
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