Re: [Add] fixing coffee shop brokenness with DoH
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 18:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Add] fixing coffee shop brokenness with DoH
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On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > This also seems like an edge case. The vast majority of clients do not have two independently controlled resolvers. That sounds like a problem statement. But it’s really easy to configure two resolvers. Just put two IP addresses in the dialog box. The stub resolver, if it is following the standard, will consult both, particularly when one fails.
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