IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Mon, 15 February 2021 21:48 UTC

Return-Path: <mt@lowentropy.net>
X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0479D3A11C2 for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:48:30 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.198
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=m7n0ljDN; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=eRendEqW
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMhKjaPQK1Tx for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:48:28 -0800 (PST)
Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC4B83A11C0 for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:48:28 -0800 (PST)
Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23A15C019C for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:48:27 -0500 (EST)
Received: from imap10 ([10.202.2.60]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:48:27 -0500
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm1; bh=D6JcI8RS6ad0IqWt6VSIGvQkHgGVq+c MwSKTL0sVcYU=; b=m7n0ljDNwTMw3K602p60mFDVOJHtFl/Z1EBfkzgh/WbFobP IJhyC93BMum8CwO1EKG75zPbQ4XBNjHn1nuEZz+UR0j2Lnvcwurvm2qyUGGh03j7 hcgeKW8TukPhqdm9FQnLRyvY1VG6k39cSu9kehLKeH2vrX2HaPsFFNQwMbIBZh1N j6O3lH9cD44QzyqUK93EVoj2KQ/+2qd9r8PnRNK26J09LAnCuQQopV3fptH1NPLB nrTHatqDdsCT9Q0gYQdwo3oKwptLY0SavxozohSei1mZEWfjdRtevBqvbi+caKnR ayqGogVSWIqCw+kVYT1Eh+qVx5/XRvwd2O++Tfw==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=D6JcI8 RS6ad0IqWt6VSIGvQkHgGVq+cMwSKTL0sVcYU=; b=eRendEqWxT1vjO+YTZ+fQS yhirEmPm7XoSMxXHh2Cn7x/T8bT5A8HtyTX+efP4FDJMGfIX+dFKZnsDDUwPhhcc wcsuKPp5onxt4NWN5zeEDlQHZzDVHg9wQTW5MqO/EPT1fhcpAl/FvmzZEyf3zLv7 8vI+3J0tkN7Cq7VWlhI5qBvS/l/iTvoertloxT02EMvBU0hQM+PYzrGx/iHhmcc/ gdw56jsXM6FXzTCwzM31uIOiklnrId0F0AypnhkCpkc0wxAyhMrXx/Ht+MAsE3/p D7Ufdo91uFVFmIP+wWtr7BpRdGV6ae7w1zT3OhXBCJEOYL881hDFj72+6cjWxvoQ ==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:K-wqYO4iBoAnYpUXdaQ9eErfMoQDyCbaKoiuYMTwIpHIaerops-_xg> <xme:K-wqYH7PXOVb3mg27GrsNhbrsvqjxLrzLO5ieK02TZA0Q7vJlUWPNiB8FWoO6wclu L1wdrytx3YIm2jS1eQ>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrieekgddugeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfofgrrhhtihhnucfvhhhomhhsohhnfdcuoehmtheslhho figvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekteeuieektdekleefke evhfekffevvdevgfekgfeluefgvdejjeegffeigedtjeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigv pedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmtheslhhofigvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvg ht
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:K-wqYNfkd45cJts2-0xtqoYkTAItAI250EaARlpM25zyJBBK9BvKIQ> <xmx:K-wqYLIFvQ2yLVAYTn3pSabsq-u0vVuo1sXmILucOgPhfe8OgEFXKA> <xmx:K-wqYCId9YR4DZq5qX6Bch1DL5epzOWd500qh_-JM044A-liDUIibw> <xmx:K-wqYHW9MrsZW-xAQdZOS3QxeotAoksNBB56BWlBVL-78TF6aN7l3A>
Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5C84C4E0081; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:48:27 -0500 (EST)
X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface
User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a
Mime-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <681a1e99-68a3-4079-b5fb-37d015c3722c@www.fastmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <A531C377-33A4-4138-BE28-788FF5FE267E@sn3rd.com>
References: <A531C377-33A4-4138-BE28-788FF5FE267E@sn3rd.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:48:08 +1100
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: gendispatch@ietf.org
Content-Type: text/plain
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/E0BYMsqFF2SPjuUgo_1ZBSrx-Fc>
Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG
X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: General Area Dispatch <gendispatch.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gendispatch/>
List-Post: <mailto:gendispatch@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 21:48:30 -0000

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 07:39, Sean Turner wrote:
> While opinions vary among IETF participants about this topic, there is 
> general agreement that the IETF community would benefit from 
> informational recommendations about using effective and inclusive 
> terminology in IETF documents. 

Hi Sean,

Thanks for doing this.  The above statement sums it up pretty well.

My suggestion is that we go ahead with the work with the charter verbatim.  There are a few people who would prefer to be obstructionist here, but our process recognizes the possibility of unresolved dissent and allows us to make resolutions over concerns that have been heard.  Clearly people disagree on this topic, but their position has been addressed, if not to their personal satisfaction.  Escalating volume and stridency won't change that.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email