Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 14 February 2021 16:32 UTC

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:31:42 -0800
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, gendispatch@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG
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Hi Joel,
At 04:11 PM 13-02-2021, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>On the one hand, there are a lot of external indications that 
>language usage is causing a significant population problems.  I 
>would like to see the IETF as a community recognize that and write 
>down suggestions on ways to improve it.

The language usage is not even on the radar at my location.  From 
what I have seen on the  news, it is a problem in the United States.

>At the same time, I grant that there are a number of other aspects 
>of how we do business that create barriers in other ways.   I have 
>seen suggestion from various people that I think deserve evaluation. 
>However, I am unable to construct a proposed charter that would 
>provide any coherence and bounds to such efforts.  And process 
>improvements (which is the general category of the proposals I have 
>seen) are hard enough even when tightly scoped.  Chartering a new 
>process WG without a clear goal is a recipe for wasting a lot of 
>people's time without achieving any of the goals.

An unbounded effort would lead to the same results as before, i.e. 
doing nothing and "IETF Management" pretending that the effort was a success.

It is very difficult to gain agreement on a charter for a topic which 
could have a negative impact on current barriers.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy