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Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 04 September 2021 06:12 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 23:12:30 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:46 PM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:

> No, as I understand it, telling people to obey the law is not "legal
> advice".
>

Well, this could get tedious, but let's go with Wikipedia[1]:

"The provision of legal advice will often involve analyzing a set of facts
and advising a person to take a specific course of action based on the
applicable law."

While we could rathole on these points, I think the larger point is that
the draft says nothing important on legal issues. How could it? It's
supposed to apply to the entire world.

So, what is the problem this draft is trying to fix? Why now?

thanks,
Rob

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_advice

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