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Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 05 September 2021 22:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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On 06-Sep-21 09:29, Rob Sayre wrote:
> Sorry to pile on, but I just noticed this statement, which (unintentionally) misrepresents what I wrote:
> 
> "I disagree quite strongly with Rob Sayre's suggestion to remove the "should not discuss" bullet points"
> 
> I did not suggest that. 

Sorry... this thread has got pretty long so it's hard to track details.

   Brian

> I suggested changing the preface of the list to
> 
> "As the IETF is a standards development environment where representatives from competitors are highly likely to be present, participants should be aware that the following topics may raise antitrust concerns:"
> 
> and then deleting the following paragraph containing "it would be prudent..." because it seems useless.
> 
> thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 2:19 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com <mailto:sayrer@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 2:11 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>         After further thought, I've decided I disagree quite strongly with Rob Sayre's suggestion to remove the "should not discuss" bullet points. This is not formal legal advice, but it is a warning to anybody who is unaware of the issues.
> 
> 
>     We'll have to respectfully disagree here--the issue for me is that the "warning" is incorrect or misleading in all but the most obvious cases.
>      
> 
>         Editorial: The draft doesn't use RFC2119 keywords, so Section 2 
"Terminology" should be deleted.
> 
> 
>     I think this document is following the guidelines in https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8174 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8174>, because it uses the 2119 words in lowercase in many places. It was new to me too, I had to look it up yesterday.
> 
>     thanks,
>     Rob
>

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