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Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Sat, 04 September 2021 00:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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One of the biggest attacks against the Internet is the generalized spying on Internet users. Preventing that spying is a fairly important topic when debating drafts and standards. Yet it is very hard to debate that without also discussing  surveillance as a business model. So let's be careful with the potential backlash of good intentions!

-- Christian Huitema 

> On Sep 3, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:29 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> By stating that a draft is describing a proprietary technology and isn't suitable for IETF discussion unless the proprietor gives change control to the IETF. That's happened many times.
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> I think this description is too reductive. It could be "open source" and "royalty free", but still be in the interests of just a few entities. The "end run" provisions in other RFCs are also a concern here.
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>> I don't see anything in the draft 
>> that forbids this. It just says: the underlying business arrangements should not be discussed in the IETF. To me, that's nothing new.
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> If it's "nothing new", I am not sure why it needs to be in the draft.
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> thanks,
> Rob
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